[阿根廷、智利]百内及大冰河國家公園

好漂亮的 Base 啊.

Mario
2005.03.18.

作了些功課~ 都沒有人大概在六月左右過去~ 南美浪遊的作者提到冬天陸路不通
不知道現在的交通要如何過去??
因為想多看沿路的風景~ 我想要搭船過去~ 但是可能時間不夠~
因為我只拿到智利簽證20天~(這次申請簽證的經驗讓我覺得拿這本護照好可悲)
請問各位前輩高人有沒有什麼建議呢?
到底在這各季節要怎樣規劃智利南部的行程~
或是大家可以施捨一點建議20天的簽證可以怎樣玩智利?

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Jazzz, 我在5月底剛去過百內, 或許可以給你一點意見‧
我是從Puerto Montt坐了三十二小時巴士到Punta Arena, 但是會途經阿根廷, 你沒簽證的話就要問清楚別選這路線, 或者坐飛機也是比較省時間的, 但到百內還要再轉車到Puerto Natales.
我去百內時已是淡季, 很多旅行社都關門了, 我們最後是包車一天團, 因為山上的天氣很不穩定, 已經封山, 只可以坐在車上遊覽. 我們那天的天氣還可以, 只是大風和間中有一陣雪.

thanks for all friends
i am at punta natales now.
i just got a excellent boat trip(1 day).
and i will have another 1 day trip by bus.
i try to find someone can supply the transmission to the national park.
if it possible, i will have a 2 days hiking for torres de paine.
it´s low season now, it really can not fine a good solution for discover here (if you have a lot money, its another story).
event the regulay bus do not go.....
the regular tour or the rgular boat are stop until there are enough
people want to join it!

不好意思~我也有同樣的困擾 沒有阿根廷簽證
從Puerto Montt 來回 Puerto Natale 各位前輩有何建議呢?
我願意以時間換去金錢 目前考慮:
1. 買lan 這一段的來回機票 US$486 + Puerto Arena 到 Puerto Natale 的公車票(不知大約是多少錢呢?) 還有機票應該要先買嗎?

2. 坐船4天3夜 來回就要8天耶~~~要花多少錢呢? US$370 X 2 嗎? 好像不值得耶

還有別的方法嗎?
先謝謝大家的解答唷~

thanks for all friends
i am at punta natales now.
i just got a excellent boat trip(1 day).
and i will have another 1 day trip by bus.
i try to find someone can supply the transmission to the national park.
if it possible, i will have a 2 days hiking for torres de paine.
it´s low season now, it really can not fine a good solution for discover here (if you have a lot money, its another story).
event the regulay bus do not go.....
the regular tour or the rgular boat are stop until there are enough
people want to join it!

大家好，

請問大冰河國家公園的 local tour 中，

遊艇之旅大概花費多少時間，大約是幾點出發?
另外，Moreno 冰河之旅和 trekking 的行程花費多少時間，大約是幾點出發?

具體來說，如果我只有二天的時間在 el calafate, 早上從 pureto natales de chile 出發，可能在剩下的一天半中完成這兩個行程嗎?

謝謝觀看!

请教智利百内国家公园和阿根廷大冰河国家公园之间的交通方式
这两个地方看着很近,通不通汽车或者飞机呢?

可否請前輩提供通行百內和阿根廷 el calafate 之間的 buses 公司的名稱或車班時間? 謝謝!

(恕刪)

如果怕體力不濟, 就選最熱門的 torres del paine 看看就好啦, 一天就可以來回了呢....或者再加上另一天坐船遊 lago pehoe, 順便再小走一下, 這樣也等於是看過了百內啦....再不然, 花大錢參加loccal tour, 讓導遊把你照顧得好好的也不錯, 或許還可以幫你背東西...

請問，坐船遊 lago pehoe 的行程要在那裡訂購?
按照 voyager 二日遊的建議，是否要住在百內，住在那裡營區比較恰當?

謝謝!

For Moreno tour, it takes about 1 day. Depart from your hostel around 9 and come back in the afternoon.
in Jan, 2007 I met a couple who joined in one day tour from El Calafate to Puerto Natlaes. The bus leaves EL Calafate around 6 am. The cost of the bus and departure time may change each year. I think you can do that, but will be quite rush with them.

坐船遊 lago pehoe 的行程要在那裡訂購?
You can find many travel agent and hotel offer this trip in the downtown of Puerto Natalies.

请问百内有没有往返的小巴，容易搭车吗？

这是从网上找到的bus信息，希望对大家有用。
Buses from Punta Arenas to Puerto Natales

Buses Fernandez
Puerto Natales: Eberhard 555. Tel 56 61 411392
Punta Arenas: Armando Sanhueza 745. Tel 56 61 225984
Depart Punta Arenas 08:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 11:00hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 09:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 12:00hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 13:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 16:00hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 14:30 - Arrive Puerto Natales 17:30hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 17:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 20:00hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 18:30 - Arrive Puerto Natales 21:30hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 20:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 23:00hrs

Bus Sur
Puerto Natales: Baquedano 558. Tel 56 61 411325
Punta Arenas: José Menendez 565. Tel 56 61 227145
Depart Punta Arenas 09:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 12:00hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 13:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 16:00hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 15:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 18:00hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 17:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 20:00hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 19:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 22:00hrs
Buses Pacheco
Punta Arenas: Colón 900. Tel 56 61 242174
Mon to Sat
Depart Punta Arenas 18:30- Arrive Puerto Natales 21:30hrs

Buses Via Terra
Puerto Natales: Bulnes 632. Tel 56 61 410775
Punta Arenas: Roca 1044. Tel 56 61 229049
Depart Punta Arenas 08:30 - Arrive Puerto Natales 12:15hrs
Depart Punta Arenas 16:00 - Arrive Puerto Natales 22:00hrs

Buses from Torres del Paine to Puerto Natales

Buses JB
Puerto Natales: Arturo Prat 258. Tel  56 61 412824
Mon to Sun
Depart Torres del Paine  Administration 12:00 - Pudeto 13:00 - Laguna marga 14:00
Depart Torres del Paine  Administration 13:45 - Pudeto 14:30 - Laguna marga 15:30
Depart Torres del Paine  Administration 18:30 - Pudeto 19:00 - Laguna marga 19:30

Bus Sur
Puerto Natales: Baquedano 558. Tel 56 61 411325
Punta Arenas: José Menendez 565. Tel 56 61 227145
Mon to Sun
Depart Torres del Paine  Administration 14:30 - Arrive Puerto Natales 17:30hrs
Depart Torres del Paine  Administration 17:30 - Arrive Puerto Natales 20:30hrs

Buses Via Terra
Puerto Natales: Bulnes 632. Tel 56 61 410775
Punta Arenas: Roca 1044. Tel 56 61 229049
Depart Torres del Paine  Administration 06:45 - Arrive Puerto Natales 10:00hrs
Depart Torres del Paine  Administration 17:15 - Arrive Puerto Natales 20:10hrs

請問，坐船遊 lago pehoe 的行程要在那裡訂購?
按照 voyager 二日遊的建議，是否要住在百內，住在那裡營區比較恰當?

謝謝!

Lago Pehoej船不需要訂購，現在的價錢是來回CH17000，單程CH11000
現在一天有兩班船，我想到了夏季會多點

除非你要搭船遊Lago Grey，要詢問旅行社

另外
兩天要遊船跟上百內塔的View point
是可能的
但是百內公園天氣變化很大
看不到百內塔的機會是存在的
建議第一天住Chileno
這邊當天下午跟隔天早上有機會上到Viewpoint
至少有兩次機會

2nd day,下到Hostel Torres
要注意巴士前往Pehoe的碼頭，第一班巴士約在10點到公園入口
10:30到pehoe碼頭
所以要抓好時間才有機會搭到船
之後到了對岸
可以花三小時來回走到Grey glaciar的viewpoint
走到底看冰河來回要七小時
所以可能辦不到

good luck