Argentina 行程請教

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請教各位師兄,以下行程可行否?請多多提示~:-)

31/01/2011 BsAs to El Calafate (flight)
01/02/2011 Moreno Glacier
02/02/2011 Todo Glacier
03/02/2011 Chalten Full Day
04/02/2011 Mini Trekking
(All by joining tour)
05/02/2011 El Calafate to San Juan (flight)
06/02/2011 San Juan - Parque Provincial Ischigualaso (join tour) - San Juan
07/02/2011 San Juan - Cordoba (by bus)
08/02/2011 Cordoba - Jesuit Block & Estancias of Cordoba -
Cordoba - La Rioja (by bus)
09/02/2011 La Rioja- Chilecito - Nacional Talampaya(join tour) -
Chilecito -La Rioja
10/02/2011 La Rioja - Tucuman (by bus)
11/02/2011 Tucuman - hire a car with driver to Salta
Drive along Quilmes- cafayate- valles calchaquies - cacchi -
salta - jujuy
12/02/2011 Jujuy
hire a car with driver visit Purmamara, Quebroda de Humahauca -
Jujuy
13/02/2011 Jujuy- Puerto Iguazu (flight)
14/02/2011 Iguazu (Brazil side)
15/02/2011 Iguazu - Parque Nacional do Iguacu
16/02/2011 Iguazu (Argentina side)
17/02/2011 Posada & the jesuit missions - puerto iguazu
18/02/2011 Puerto iguazu - BsAs - City tour(if have time)
19/02/2011 BsAs sight seeing
20/02/2011 Evening flight - back home

1) 請問以上行程可行麻?
2) San Juan 去 cordoba 有nite bus 麻?咁样可以慳D
3) La Rioja 去 Tucuman 有nite bus 麻?
4) Tucuman + Jujuy 有机会租到車/join tour
5) Jujuy 去Iguazu 要去Salta 轉車,應該搭飛机去Iguazu 定去Salta 搭車?
6) 有什么好建議呢?請賜教
謝謝!
瘋子葆
05/02/2011 El Calafate to San Juan (flight)
06/02/2011 San Juan - Parque Provincial Ischigualaso (join tour) - San Juan
07/02/2011 San Juan - Cordoba (by bus)
08/02/2011 Cordoba - Jesuit Block & Estancias of Cordoba -
Cordoba - La Rioja (by bus)
09/02/2011 La Rioja- Chilecito - Nacional Talampaya(join tour) -
Chilecito -La Rioja

這個安排不怎麼合適,因為Parque Provincial Ischigualaso就在Parque Nacional Talampaya旁邊,沒有必要先去San Juan市。

雖然Parque Provincial Ischigualaso在San Juan省,但是卻是在邊境。

我建議您們走的路線是:Córdoba - Chamical - Parque Provincial Ischigualaso - Parque Nacional Talampaya - Chilecito - La Rioja - Tucumán - Tafí de Valle - Ruina Quilmes - Cafayate - Cachi - Salta - Jujuy - Humahuaca - Tilcara - Purmamarca - Salinas Grandes - San Antonio de Los Cobres - Salta.

這裡有我2004年走的路線:
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/Pacheco/1857571

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/Pacheco/13437260

11/02/2011 Tucuman - hire a car with driver to Salta
Drive along Quilmes- cafayate- valles calchaquies - cacchi -
salta - jujuy
12/02/2011 Jujuy
hire a car with driver visit Purmamara, Quebroda de Humahauca -
Jujuy

11/02/2011的行程太趕了,這種走法只有在開車而已,建議在Cafayate及Cachi過夜。

Cafayate到Cachi的路是40號國道,除了到San Carlos那段20公里的柏油路外,其他的都是碎石山路。

Cachi到Salta也有一段碎石山路。

12/02/2011的路程也太趕了,而且沒有到Salinas Grandes鹽湖實在可惜。

這裡有我2002年及2003年跑的路線:
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/Pacheco/3746388

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/Pacheco/15905677

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/Pacheco/2236714

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/Pacheco/15905688

這裡有從Córdoba到Salta的路線,您看看這樣是不是比較順呢?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/Chaco293/Blog/04%202010/2010-10/Norte.jpg

18/02/2011 Puerto iguazu - BsAs - City tour(if have time)
19/02/2011 BsAs sight seeing
20/02/2011 Evening flight - back home

我覺得Buenos Aires的時間短了點。
大王叫我來巡山
Thanks very much for Leandro advise. Its you that helps me to decide to go Argentina this year after visiting your blogs and viewing groups of your albumns. Here below is my amended itinerary and please give me more advise on this .... since im travelling alone without driving license, I am afraid I need to tailor-made a tour from the travel agency there. Hope you can provide more information on this issue.

Here is my amended itinerary~

05/02/2011 El Calafate - BsAs(flight) - Cordoba (nite bus)
06/02/2011 Cordoba - Chamical - Parque Provincial Ischigualaso - Parque
Nacional Talampaya - La Rioja
07/02/2011 La Rioja - Tucuman- Tafi de Valle - Ruina Quilmes - Cafayate
08/02/2011 Cafayate - Cachi - La Poma - San Antonio de los Corbres -
Salta - Jujuy (or stay Salta depends on arrival)
09/02/2011 Jujuy/Salta - Humahuaca - Tilcara - Purmamarca - Salinas
Grandes - Salta
10/02/2011 Salta - BsAs (flight) - Puerto Iguazu (bus)
11/02/2011 Puerto Iguazu - Jesuit Missions of Guaranis (sunset) /
Argentina Side (Iguazu) - stay Iguazu
12/02/2011 Iguazu (Brazil side)
13/02/2011 Parque Nacional do Iguacu(Brazil)
14/02/2011 Iguazu - BsAs (bus)
15/02/2011 BsAs
16/02/2011 BsAs
17/02/2011 BsAs
18/02/2011 Head Home

Please comment and advise, thanks a million
記憶格式化
05/02/2011 El Calafate - BsAs(flight) - Cordoba (nite bus)
06/02/2011 Cordoba - Chamical - Parque Provincial Ischigualaso - Parque
Nacional Talampaya - La Rioja
07/02/2011 La Rioja - Tucuman- Tafi de Valle - Ruina Quilmes - Cafayate
08/02/2011 Cafayate - Cachi - La Poma - San Antonio de los Corbres -
Salta - Jujuy (or stay Salta depends on arrival)
09/02/2011 Jujuy/Salta - Humahuaca - Tilcara - Purmamarca - Salinas
Grandes - Salta

我覺得您西北高原區的時間太短了,那四天要跑那麼多地方根本不可能。

不知道您是要:
搭巴士後再跟團?
請旅行社特別幫您安排您要的行程?
包車?
自己開車?

就是以自己開車來說,都已經都是在趕路了,如果您是坐巴士,需要的時間更要對倍以上。

如果您在西北高原區的時間無法增加的話,我建議您刪掉:
1. Parque Provincial Ischigualaso (San Juan)
2. Parque Nacional Talampaya (La Rioja)
3. Ruina Quilmes (Tucumán).
因為這三個地方自己沒車的話實在不方便。

另外Córdoba的Estancia也可以省掉,在Buenos Aires有許多Estancia一日遊的Tour。

建議您乾脆直接由Buenos Aires飛Salta,由Salta做據點。

在Salta跟團的話,可以考慮:
1. Salta - Purmamarca - Salinas Grandes - San Antonio de Los Cobres - Salta一天團。這個團可以認識Purmamarca七彩山,Salinas Grandes鹽湖,San Antonio de Los Cobres,而San Antonio de Los Cobres到Salta沿著鐵路的沿路風景很漂亮。

2. Salta - Cachi - Salta一天團。Cachi的市中心不怎麼樣,但是Cachi Adentro很棒,可是跟團不會帶您去Adentro的。

3. Salta - Cafayate - Salta一天團,或是Salta -Purmamarca - Tilcara - Humahuaca - Tilcara - Purmamarca - Salta一天團。

不然的話就是在Salta請旅行社幫您量身訂做行程,或是包車旅遊。

Cachi到San Antonio de Los Cobres那條路不建議您走,因為是泥土碎石山路,最高達5000公尺,一般是懸厓,一邊是峭壁,夏天時更容易因為下雨而無法通行。

如果在阿根廷的時間不是很夠的話,減少景點是個辦法,不然會很累很累。
吢丕
Thanks Leandro again. I have revised my schedule after your precious advise. Here are my 2nd version and please help to see whether this is a workable itinerary. In addition, please advise whether it is easy to tailor made a tour in local areas since I dont have a driving license and travel alone.

Day 1 El Calafate - BA- Salta (flight)
Day 2 Join local tour
Salta - Purmamarca - Salinas Grandes - San Antonio de Los Corbes -
Salta
Day 3 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver)
Salta - Cachi dentro - Salta
Day 4 Join local tour
Salta - Purmamarca - Tilcara- Humahuaca - Tilcara - Salta
Day 5 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver) - RN68
Salta- Cafayate - Qumiles- Tucuman
Day 6 Tucuman - La Rioja (by bus)
Day 7 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver)
- Parque Nacional Ischigualaso
- Parque Nacional Talampaya - La Rioja
Day 8 La Rioja - Iguazu (flight)
Day 9 Iguazu (Brazil side)
Day10 Iguazu (Argentina Side)
Day 11 Igauzu National Park
Day 12 Tailor made (hire a car with driver)
- Puberto Iguazu - Posada & the Jesuit guaranis
Day 13 Iguaza - BsAs (flight)
Day 14-16 BsAs then head home
放開那個禽獸
您好:
藍字的部分是我的建議。

您參考看看吧。

Thanks Leandro again. I have revised my schedule after your precious advise. Here are my 2nd version and please help to see whether this is a workable itinerary. In addition, please advise whether it is easy to tailor made a tour in local areas since I dont have a driving license and travel alone.

Day 1 El Calafate - BA- Salta (flight)

Day 2 Join local tour
Salta - Purmamarca - Salinas Grandes - San Antonio de Los Corbes - Salta

Day 3 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver)
Salta - Cachi dentro - Salta
這個行程以攝影的角度來說很棒,但是以一般遊客的角度來說,或許沒什麼,這點您要有心理準備。

Day 4 Join local tour
Salta - Purmamarca - Tilcara- Humahuaca - Tilcara - Salta

Day 5 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver) - RN68
Salta- Cafayate - Qumiles- Tucuman
要早一點出門,因為這個行程有點長,另外在Ruina Qumiles- Tucumán中間還有一個景點: Tafí del Valle。

Day 6 Tucuman - La Rioja (by bus)

Day 7 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver)
- Parque Nacional Ischigualaso
沒辦法自己單獨在國家公園走,會先聚集一定數量的車後,您包的車子跟著導遊的車及其他的車隊一起走。
- Parque Nacional Talampaya - La Rioja
您包的車必須留在停車場,然後搭國家公園提供的SUV進公園,SUV上有導遊。

Day 8 La Rioja - Iguazu (flight)

Day 9 Iguazu (Brazil side)
問問導遊有沒有安排Parque de Ave(鳥園)的行程,那個鳥園不錯。

Day10 Iguazu (Argentina Side)

Day 11 Igauzu National Park
這個行程跟Day10 Iguazú (Argentina Side)重複,或許可以考慮把這天的時間留在Buenos Aires。

Day 12 Tailor made (hire a car with driver)
- Puberto Iguazu - Posada & the Jesuit guaranis
這個行程有local tour到the Jesuit guaranis,而有沒有到Posada我就不清楚了,但是Posada只是一個漂亮的都市,沒有太大的特色。

Day 13 Iguaza - BsAs (flight)

Day 14-16 BsAs then head home
不壞沒人愛
Hey, Leandro, you are so kind enough to opinionate my schedule. Thanks very much. I have also write some opinion and please see if you can further comment on this if you have time. If everything goes right, I can book my flight lu......

Day 1 El Calafate - BA- Salta (flight)

Day 2 Join local tour
Salta - Purmamarca - Salinas Grandes - San Antonio de Los Corbes - Salta

Day 3 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver)
Salta - Cachi dentro - Salta
這個行程以攝影的角度來說很棒,但是以一般遊客的角度來說,或許沒什麼,這點您要有心理準備。
------- In fact, I do like taking photographs.... and I dont mind spending time on taking a good photos.

Day 4 Join local tour
Salta - Purmamarca - Tilcara- Humahuaca - Tilcara - Salta

Day 5 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver) - RN68
Salta- Cafayate - Qumiles- Tucuman
要早一點出門,因為這個行程有點長,另外在Ruina Qumiles- Tucumán中間還有一個景點: Tafí del Valle。
------I know that the distance is quite far and I dont mind getting up early....I might get a great great sunrise photos tim....... thanks for your reminder.....
Day 6 Tucuman - La Rioja (by bus)

Day 7 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver)
- Parque Nacional Ischigualaso
沒辦法自己單獨在國家公園走,會先聚集一定數量的車後,您包的車子跟著導遊的車及其他的車隊一起走。
- Parque Nacional Talampaya - La Rioja
您包的車必須留在停車場,然後搭國家公園提供的SUV進公園,SUV上有導遊。

--------****(Do I have any chance in joining the local tour in La Rioja in visiting these 2 parks in one day???)**** Please advise
Day 8 La Rioja - Iguazu (flight)

Day 9 Iguazu (Brazil side)
問問導遊有沒有安排Parque de Ave(鳥園)的行程,那個鳥園不錯。

-------- Do you think 1 day is enough in brazil side for the fall and the national park on brazil side?

Day10 Iguazu (Argentina Side)

Day 11 Igauzu National Park
這個行程跟Day10 Iguazú (Argentina Side)重複,或許可以考慮把這天的時間留在Buenos Aires。

------- might spare this day for brazil side

Day 12 Tailor made (hire a car with driver)
- Puberto Iguazu - Posada & the Jesuit guaranis
這個行程有local tour到the Jesuit guaranis,而有沒有到Posada我就不清楚了,但是Posada只是一個漂亮的都市,沒有太大的特色。
--------- I just think this 2 city is near and comes as a pair

Day 13 Iguaza - BsAs (flight)

Day 14-16 BsAs then head home
你是我所有的夢
請看藍字部分:

Day 7 Tailor Made (hire a car with driver)
- Parque Nacional Ischigualaso
沒辦法自己單獨在國家公園走,會先聚集一定數量的車後,您包的車子跟著導遊的車及其他的車隊一起走。
- Parque Nacional Talampaya - La Rioja
您包的車必須留在停車場,然後搭國家公園提供的SUV進公園,SUV上有導遊。

--------****(Do I have any chance in joining the local tour in La Rioja in visiting these 2 parks in one day???)**** Please advise

我剛剛去查了一下,La Rioja市有當天來回這兩個點的Tour,這是其中一間旅行社的網頁:
http://www.cuestavieja.com/

這裡有更多旅行社的資料:
http://turismolarioja.gov.ar.webfst.alsolnet.com/tur_agencias.asp

Day 8 La Rioja - Iguazu (flight)

Day 9 Iguazu (Brazil side)
問問導遊有沒有安排Parque de Ave(鳥園)的行程,那個鳥園不錯。

-------- Do you think 1 day is enough in brazil side for the fall and the national park on brazil side?
這個您到當地再問問看,或是先問當地的旅行社。

我去了兩次,第一次住在Puerto Iguazú(阿根廷),第二次住在Fos Iguazú(巴西邊),兩邊都不錯。

一般說來,大部分的人是安排一天在阿根廷邊,另一天安排巴西邊。

如果喜歡生態攝影的話,鳥園就可以待很多小時了(跟團的話,鳥園只有一個小時)。

Day10 Iguazu (Argentina Side)

Day 11 Igauzu National Park
這個行程跟Day10 Iguazú (Argentina Side)重複,或許可以考慮把這天的時間留在Buenos Aires。

------- might spare this day for brazil side

Day 12 Tailor made (hire a car with driver)
- Puberto Iguazu - Posada & the Jesuit guaranis
這個行程有local tour到the Jesuit guaranis,而有沒有到Posada我就不清楚了,但是Posada只是一個漂亮的都市,沒有太大的特色。
--------- I just think this 2 city is near and comes as a pair

Day 13 Iguaza - BsAs (flight)

Day 14-16 BsAs then head home
一個轉身兩個世界
Thanks Leandro.I am quite busy recently and will digest what you advise me. Will keep bother you if I got anything dont understand.
該使用者太懶還沒想好匿稱
Hi Leandro, I have some more questions and would you please give me some advise on that?

1) How far from EZE to AEP? I would like to book a flight from AEP at 19:50 (to Salta), do the EZE airport has shuttle bus to AEP airport? Can I catch this plane if I arrived at 16:15?

2) Where can I find the web for Salta tour? Since I will be arrived Salta late nite and wants to enrol the tour on line and start my adventure next morning after my arrival

3) I found out that the domestic flight ticket arent cheap and is www.despegar.com is the best engine to buy the tickets or buying the airpass from aerolineas is the best way travelling around by plane?

4) As LP said, the tren a las nubes will stopped their service every Dec to Feb, is it true? Since I cannot find the schedule of the train from the officical site for Feb 2011.

Very much appreciate for your help and advise.(au)
我想陪你吹吹風
您好,請看藍字的部分:
Hi Leandro, I have some more questions and would you please give me some advise on that?

1) How far from EZE to AEP? I would like to book a flight from AEP at 19:50 (to Salta), do the EZE airport has shuttle bus to AEP airport? Can I catch this plane if I arrived at 16:15?
從Ezeiza國際機場到Aeroparque國內機場有44公里,但是那個時間是下班時間,車輛會比較多。

從國際機場到國內機場有以下幾種方式:
1. 搭乘Manuel Tienda Leon的巴士到Aeroparque,票價為$50阿幣,它也有Remis到Aeroparque的服務,收費是$174阿幣。
這是該公司的網頁:http://www.tiendaleon.com.ar/home/home.asp

這個公司是大公司,比較放心。

2. 搭計程車或是Remis,一過海關就有一些櫃臺可以詢問,儘量避免搭乘接機處的拉客計程車。

3. 搭公車。

2) Where can I find the web for Salta tour? Since I will be arrived Salta late nite and wants to enrol the tour on line and start my adventure next morning after my arrival
我幫您查了一些旅行社的資料:
http://www.laguiasalta.com.ar/agencias_de_viajes_y_turismo.html

http://www.caminosdelnorteweb.com.ar/

http://www.andinasalta.com.ar/

http://www.monumentaltravel.com.ar/esp/
您參考看看。

3) I found out that the domestic flight ticket arent cheap and is www.despegar.com (http://www.despegar.com) is the best engine to buy the tickets or buying the airpass from aerolineas is the best way travelling around by plane?
這個網頁有許多機票 / 旅館及Tour可以購買,但是我不確定目前外國人及本國人的票價有沒有差別。

4) As LP said, the tren a las nubes will stopped their service every Dec to Feb, is it true? Since I cannot find the schedule of the train from the officical site for Feb 2011.
這個問題我不清楚,最好問Salta的旅行社。

Very much appreciate for your help and advise.(au)