[英文]為什麼台灣人說北京話????
風吹起的舊時光
★這篇討論主要是針對英文方面的交流來討論
請不要究個人的意識型態、政治主張....進行中文的筆戰★
想討論這個話題
不過又有點怕怕的
因為這似乎是個有點容易引來不必要筆戰的話題(請大家放輕鬆來討論哦!!)
不過卻也是我在紐澳時還滿常被西方人問的問題
每次當他們問
Where are you from?
我回答
I am Taiwanese
後
就會有人問
那你們是說Taiwanese還是Chinese啊
不然就是問
那為什麼Taiwanese和大陸人Chinese的語言是相同的???
還有一些對亞洲國家(中、日、韓....)完全沒概念的
會認為我們和日本人、韓國人說的都是同一種語言，彼此是可以溝通的....
這也不能怪他們啦
就像我也不一定聽的出德文和西班牙文的不同啦.......
我不是語言學家只能用一點點自己的理解來和他們解釋：
在台灣大部分的人會台語Taiwanese
它是中文的方言dialect的一種(廣東話也是方言的一種)
北京話(or普通話)Mandarin則是台灣的官方語言official language
中國大陸的官方語言也是北京話(or普通話)
用詞上雖然會有些不同
就像美式英文American English和英式英文British English一樣
所以我們在說話上的溝通是沒問題的
不過在寫字方面
台灣用的是正體中文traditional Chinese
大陸用的是簡體中文 Simplified Chinese
算是簡化過simplified的中文字
我們也還是可以理解簡體中文啦
Most of Taiwanese speak Taiwanese.
It is one dialect of Chinese. (Cantonese is another one of the Chinese dialect.)
Mandarin is our official language in Taiwan.
That is why we also speak Mandarin.
Mandarin is the official language of mainland China as well.
Some terms may be different.
Just like American English and British English....
So it is no problem for us to communicate.
For writing,
we use traditional Chinese in Taiwan, but they use Simplified Chinese in China.
The characters are simplified, but we can still understand.
至於中、日、韓...是不是說同一種語言
當然不是啦.........
只是有些詞的發音或許很像
所以有時我們可以猜的出一些些
而且我們使用的漢字Chinese character在日本和韓國也有部分被使用在他們的語言中
所以有的時侯我們可以寫一些漢字來溝通
Of course Chinese, Japanese, Korean are not the same.
Just some terms may be sound similar, so we can guess a bit sometimes.
And some Chinese characters we use are also used in some part of their language.
so sometimes we can communicate by writing some characters.
以上是我的一些淺見啦
也想聽聽有沒有其他的說法囉!!!!!
關於Mandarin的討論
http://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/question?qid=1607012301247
http://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/question?qid=1106120109132
請不要究個人的意識型態、政治主張....進行中文的筆戰★
想討論這個話題
不過又有點怕怕的
因為這似乎是個有點容易引來不必要筆戰的話題(請大家放輕鬆來討論哦!!)
不過卻也是我在紐澳時還滿常被西方人問的問題
每次當他們問
Where are you from?
我回答
I am Taiwanese
後
就會有人問
那你們是說Taiwanese還是Chinese啊
不然就是問
那為什麼Taiwanese和大陸人Chinese的語言是相同的???
還有一些對亞洲國家(中、日、韓....)完全沒概念的
會認為我們和日本人、韓國人說的都是同一種語言，彼此是可以溝通的....
這也不能怪他們啦
就像我也不一定聽的出德文和西班牙文的不同啦.......
我不是語言學家只能用一點點自己的理解來和他們解釋：
在台灣大部分的人會台語Taiwanese
它是中文的方言dialect的一種(廣東話也是方言的一種)
北京話(or普通話)Mandarin則是台灣的官方語言official language
中國大陸的官方語言也是北京話(or普通話)
用詞上雖然會有些不同
就像美式英文American English和英式英文British English一樣
所以我們在說話上的溝通是沒問題的
不過在寫字方面
台灣用的是正體中文traditional Chinese
大陸用的是簡體中文 Simplified Chinese
算是簡化過simplified的中文字
我們也還是可以理解簡體中文啦
Most of Taiwanese speak Taiwanese.
It is one dialect of Chinese. (Cantonese is another one of the Chinese dialect.)
Mandarin is our official language in Taiwan.
That is why we also speak Mandarin.
Mandarin is the official language of mainland China as well.
Some terms may be different.
Just like American English and British English....
So it is no problem for us to communicate.
For writing,
we use traditional Chinese in Taiwan, but they use Simplified Chinese in China.
The characters are simplified, but we can still understand.
至於中、日、韓...是不是說同一種語言
當然不是啦.........
只是有些詞的發音或許很像
所以有時我們可以猜的出一些些
而且我們使用的漢字Chinese character在日本和韓國也有部分被使用在他們的語言中
所以有的時侯我們可以寫一些漢字來溝通
Of course Chinese, Japanese, Korean are not the same.
Just some terms may be sound similar, so we can guess a bit sometimes.
And some Chinese characters we use are also used in some part of their language.
so sometimes we can communicate by writing some characters.
以上是我的一些淺見啦
也想聽聽有沒有其他的說法囉!!!!!
關於Mandarin的討論
http://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/question?qid=1607012301247
http://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/question?qid=1106120109132
清風伴酒
And you are a Taiwanese, don't forget that.
When people describe me as Chinese, I think they are talking about my ethnicity and descent in most of the cases. It is just like Chinese American, or Malaysian Chinese. It is not political. I guess we can also follow the examples by saying we are Chinese Taiwanese or Taiwanese Chinese.
When people describe me as Chinese, I think they are talking about my ethnicity and descent in most of the cases. It is just like Chinese American, or Malaysian Chinese. It is not political. I guess we can also follow the examples by saying we are Chinese Taiwanese or Taiwanese Chinese.
放縱不羈笑點低
相同的種族可以用一種共通語言來溝通是文化進步的表現，彊界和國家可以改變的，而種族則永遠不會改變。
沒傘的孩子要學會奔跑
I have told them in differents aspects:
1. generally:
a. different languages(Guandongese/ the language used in HK and Guandong, Taiwanese/ the main language in Taiwan and the national or major language in Tang dynasty, Haganese which is the national language for Han dynasty and the 2nd majority language in Taiwan, Manderin which is the national / major language after Ching dynasty .....but sharing same characters,
which is the similar case for
b. Spanish, English, German, French, Itallian....
basically pronouce different, but use the same thing for writing
c. no, we don't understand each other in different language.
d. English is like Manderin. or Manderin is like English:
It's the language that most people can use to communicate each other.
2. history:
the full name for Taiwan is Republic of China(R.O.C.) which is founded in 1911
and was the ruler for the whole China until the Communist changed the world and was forced to move to Taiwan.
The China you know is PRC(people's republic of China)
it was founded after world war two. It's like East and west Germany. But the major different is East Germany is 1/3 of West Germany while the population of Taiwan is only 1/50 or less than the PRC which is much smaller.
So, Taiwan has been the ruler/ government for whole China, but the china you know (PRC) has NEVER been the ruler in Taiwan.
basically, you can shup up those non-independant-Chinese, because they have only listen to their government, and never think or know about this fact.
3.Please don't call yourself Chinese anymore, because for most people's understanding, it's for the other side.
I will tell the foreigners that we have to give that name to the PRC, for the status quo...
4. Where is Taiwan :
between Japan and HongKong, beside Pacific Ocean
..........
1. generally:
a. different languages(Guandongese/ the language used in HK and Guandong, Taiwanese/ the main language in Taiwan and the national or major language in Tang dynasty, Haganese which is the national language for Han dynasty and the 2nd majority language in Taiwan, Manderin which is the national / major language after Ching dynasty .....but sharing same characters,
which is the similar case for
b. Spanish, English, German, French, Itallian....
basically pronouce different, but use the same thing for writing
c. no, we don't understand each other in different language.
d. English is like Manderin. or Manderin is like English:
It's the language that most people can use to communicate each other.
2. history:
the full name for Taiwan is Republic of China(R.O.C.) which is founded in 1911
and was the ruler for the whole China until the Communist changed the world and was forced to move to Taiwan.
The China you know is PRC(people's republic of China)
it was founded after world war two. It's like East and west Germany. But the major different is East Germany is 1/3 of West Germany while the population of Taiwan is only 1/50 or less than the PRC which is much smaller.
So, Taiwan has been the ruler/ government for whole China, but the china you know (PRC) has NEVER been the ruler in Taiwan.
basically, you can shup up those non-independant-Chinese, because they have only listen to their government, and never think or know about this fact.
3.Please don't call yourself Chinese anymore, because for most people's understanding, it's for the other side.
I will tell the foreigners that we have to give that name to the PRC, for the status quo...
4. Where is Taiwan :
between Japan and HongKong, beside Pacific Ocean
..........
笑容早已成了僞裝
真是奇妙的星期五下午
突然之間讓這個一個多月沒人理的話題
得到這麼多的回應
感謝各位精彩的回覆啦!!!
您開版之初, 就擔心會引起政治情緒,
這樣的擔心, 雖不中亦不遠矣.
It seems that things just get political after all when you try to discuss a simple issue concerns about Taiwan and China.
突然之間讓這個一個多月沒人理的話題
得到這麼多的回應
感謝各位精彩的回覆啦!!!
您開版之初, 就擔心會引起政治情緒,
這樣的擔心, 雖不中亦不遠矣.
It seems that things just get political after all when you try to discuss a simple issue concerns about Taiwan and China.
沉默是女人最大的哭聲
well, i see nothing political emotional here.
but, if you insist, i will say
because, that's the origin of all these messes....
您開版之初, 就擔心會引起政治情緒,
這樣的擔心, 雖不中亦不遠矣.
It seems that things just get political after all when you try to discuss a simple issue concerns about Taiwan and China.
but, if you insist, i will say
because, that's the origin of all these messes....
您開版之初, 就擔心會引起政治情緒,
這樣的擔心, 雖不中亦不遠矣.
It seems that things just get political after all when you try to discuss a simple issue concerns about Taiwan and China.
時光終於把熱情耗盡
the most difference shall not be language only, but the culture difference
you and I speak same language doesn't mean we have same culture and faith in mind
pls don't forget in TWN also got many different languages: mandarin, Taiwanese, Haka...
and some political guys just use the language difference to tell if you are the original Taiwanese or not, funny
Though what's the different? We are all born on same and only one earth, aren't we?
frankly this is just one another non-sense topic
let go of this kinda bored, pls
"Where are you from?"
"I am from Taiwan"
"Wow... I know nothing about Taiwan"
"hahaha.... then you must pretend you are an idiot"
you and I speak same language doesn't mean we have same culture and faith in mind
pls don't forget in TWN also got many different languages: mandarin, Taiwanese, Haka...
and some political guys just use the language difference to tell if you are the original Taiwanese or not, funny
Though what's the different? We are all born on same and only one earth, aren't we?
frankly this is just one another non-sense topic
let go of this kinda bored, pls
"Where are you from?"
"I am from Taiwan"
"Wow... I know nothing about Taiwan"
"hahaha.... then you must pretend you are an idiot"
讀著倒才子傻
the most difference shall not be language only, but the culture difference
you and I speak same language doesn't mean we have same culture and faith in mind
pls don't forget in TWN also got many different languages: mandarin, Taiwanese, Haka...
and some political guys just use the language difference to tell if you are the original Taiwanese or not, funny
Though what's the different? We are all born on same and only one earth, aren't we?
frankly this is just one another non-sense topic
let go of this kinda bored, pls
"Where are you from?"
"I am from Taiwan"
"Wow... I know nothing about Taiwan"
"hahaha.... then you must pretend you are an idiot"
Alex is a smart guy,
I like the way he deals with this issue.
you should campaign for a legislator, Alex, Haha~
you and I speak same language doesn't mean we have same culture and faith in mind
pls don't forget in TWN also got many different languages: mandarin, Taiwanese, Haka...
and some political guys just use the language difference to tell if you are the original Taiwanese or not, funny
Though what's the different? We are all born on same and only one earth, aren't we?
frankly this is just one another non-sense topic
let go of this kinda bored, pls
"Where are you from?"
"I am from Taiwan"
"Wow... I know nothing about Taiwan"
"hahaha.... then you must pretend you are an idiot"
Alex is a smart guy,
I like the way he deals with this issue.
you should campaign for a legislator, Alex, Haha~
萬人中央孤獨的漂亮
台湾人目前说北京话是中华民国当初定下来的, 而其根本原因是中国近代的首都一直在北京.
近代定都北京也是由其原因的, 历来中国南方富饶,人民聪明勤劳, 但生活过于安逸, 整个城市的氛围太过花天酒地, 醉生梦死, 所以定都南京,杭州的时间都不长就经历了亡国的命运.
历史上北方屡遭游牧民族骚扰, 历来是中国皇帝的心头大患, 所以秦始皇建长城, 汉武帝数次亲征匈奴, 而后来明朝朱棣更是决定将首都从南京迁到北京.....
看看中国这几千来的历史,再想想两岸这几十年的事情, 对我们的未来能看得更清楚些.
近代定都北京也是由其原因的, 历来中国南方富饶,人民聪明勤劳, 但生活过于安逸, 整个城市的氛围太过花天酒地, 醉生梦死, 所以定都南京,杭州的时间都不长就经历了亡国的命运.
历史上北方屡遭游牧民族骚扰, 历来是中国皇帝的心头大患, 所以秦始皇建长城, 汉武帝数次亲征匈奴, 而后来明朝朱棣更是决定将首都从南京迁到北京.....
看看中国这几千来的历史,再想想两岸这几十年的事情, 对我们的未来能看得更清楚些.
刪了你之後網速明顯快了
well, i see nothing political emotional here.
but, if you insist, i will say
because, that's the origin of all these messes....
a-ying :
look at upstairs,
do you still think it's nothing political here ?
but, if you insist, i will say
because, that's the origin of all these messes....
a-ying :
look at upstairs,
do you still think it's nothing political here ?
半醉半醒半浮生
其實普通話也不全是以北京話為基礎.這個要追溯到孫先生剛全國統一時期了
應該這麼說.當初梁啟超為教育部部長.要推行全國語言統一
要以那裡的地方話為普通話.問題來了....當初推行革命的以廣東人居多
可後來加入革命事業的.又以北方人居多.就這麼僵持不下
只好靠國民大會投票來決定了.36比35票.就差一票.
不然現在普通話就變成廣東話了.
普通話其實是以北京話做基礎的.但別忘了.當初的北洋軍閥.是以東北人居多
所以普通話基本上是北京話+東北話形成的
這不難去想像.大陸的普通話幾乎都是沒捲舌的.
而且你去看中央台報新聞.也是要求一個字一個字講的很清楚的.
真正北京人在說話.嘴巴都懶得開口.好像字都含在舌頭下.或舌後根
還有些北京當地的用詞.你很難在南方聽的見.很多人也聽不懂.
台灣是有很多福建閩南過來的沒錯.可是這中間被日本統治了幾十年
再加上一直在接收許多的外來文化.還有一些年輕人獨創自己的語言.
這就是台語.
可是國語方面跟大陸還是都一樣的.就是用詞.音調和語氣方面有差異性而已
但如果你去廈門講閩南話.講慢點.他們都聽的懂.
可是你會感覺怪怪地.因為他們的閩南話是讀音.台灣是唸音.
還是能溝通啦.
老外要是全都懂得這裡面文化差異的話.那我們也別混了.
甚至該自我檢討檢討了.
應該這麼說.當初梁啟超為教育部部長.要推行全國語言統一
要以那裡的地方話為普通話.問題來了....當初推行革命的以廣東人居多
可後來加入革命事業的.又以北方人居多.就這麼僵持不下
只好靠國民大會投票來決定了.36比35票.就差一票.
不然現在普通話就變成廣東話了.
普通話其實是以北京話做基礎的.但別忘了.當初的北洋軍閥.是以東北人居多
所以普通話基本上是北京話+東北話形成的
這不難去想像.大陸的普通話幾乎都是沒捲舌的.
而且你去看中央台報新聞.也是要求一個字一個字講的很清楚的.
真正北京人在說話.嘴巴都懶得開口.好像字都含在舌頭下.或舌後根
還有些北京當地的用詞.你很難在南方聽的見.很多人也聽不懂.
台灣是有很多福建閩南過來的沒錯.可是這中間被日本統治了幾十年
再加上一直在接收許多的外來文化.還有一些年輕人獨創自己的語言.
這就是台語.
可是國語方面跟大陸還是都一樣的.就是用詞.音調和語氣方面有差異性而已
但如果你去廈門講閩南話.講慢點.他們都聽的懂.
可是你會感覺怪怪地.因為他們的閩南話是讀音.台灣是唸音.
還是能溝通啦.
老外要是全都懂得這裡面文化差異的話.那我們也別混了.
甚至該自我檢討檢討了.